{"id":998,"date":"2014-10-17T14:55:44","date_gmt":"2014-10-17T22:55:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/?p=998"},"modified":"2014-10-21T14:44:06","modified_gmt":"2014-10-21T22:44:06","slug":"our-dirty-little-secret","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?p=998","title":{"rendered":"Our Dirty Little Secret&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>Our <span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><em>Dirty Little Secret<\/em><\/span> &#8211;<\/h1>\n<h3><em>A discussion with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.savannahsmythe.com\">Savannah Smythe<\/a> on the release of her new work &#8211; <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.savannahsmythe.com\/gay-erotica.html\">Dirty Little Secret<\/a>\u00a0and a few other topics that cropped up&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><\/h3>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_999\" style=\"width: 232px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-999\" data-attachment-id=\"999\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=999\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?fit=1400%2C1887\" data-orig-size=\"1400,1887\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"dls_cvr\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Dirty Little Secret &amp;#8211; by Savannah Smythe&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?fit=400%2C540\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-999\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr-222x300.jpg?resize=222%2C300\" alt=\"Dirty Little Secret - by Savannah Smythe\" width=\"222\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?resize=222%2C300 222w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?resize=759%2C1024 759w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?w=1400 1400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_cvr.jpg?w=1200 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 222px) 100vw, 222px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-999\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dirty-Little-Secret-Savannah-Smythe-ebook\/dp\/B00MQGNM6K\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1413367896&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=savannah+smythe\">Dirty Little Secret<\/a> &#8211; by Savannah Smythe<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: So when do you think you can recall when you found yourself bit by the whole writing bug? Was there some impetus that got you into writing?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe:<\/strong> I&#8217;ve always loved weaving stories, even from a very young age, probably to get me out of some kind of trouble, I guess. \u00a0But I never thought of writing anything down until after my first child was born. \u00a0I think it was boredom more than anything else. \u00a0I was hitting the treadmill at the gym and my daughter was in daycare, and my first character just kind of popped into my head and said &#8220;Hello.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Actually, that&#8217;s a lie. \u00a0He said something like &#8220;Hey, bitch, I want a woman and a decent story. Get to it.&#8221; \u00a0He can be rude like that&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Yeah, that&#8217;s usually a hallmark of a writer: our characters really sort of control us &#8211; dictate when things need to get done.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Absolutely. \u00a0I think all writers with fiction should identify with this, and sometimes you need to go with the flow and see what comes out. \u00a0It can surprise you. \u00a0It sure as hell surprised me!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Did your writing always have the erotic slant it has now? If so, why do you think that is? If not, how did it evolve into that?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe:<\/strong> It certainly didn&#8217;t start out as erotica, although I&#8217;ve never shied away from portraying sexual scenes between my characters. \u00a0How the erotica thing started was simple. \u00a0I couldn&#8217;t get the damned book published so I sliced, diced and spiced it as an experiment, because sex sells, right? \u00a0I knew I had a juicy story, but it needed a lot more juice to interest the erotica market.<\/p>\n<p>To answer your other question, I guess I&#8217;ve always been interested in, not the ins and outs of sex per se, but the interplay between characters, the growing intensity of feelings and setting moods where sensual happenings can take place<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1001\" style=\"width: 223px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1001\" data-attachment-id=\"1001\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=1001\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209.jpg?fit=356%2C500\" data-orig-size=\"356,500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"111209\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;A little man on man action never hurts&amp;#8230;unless its done right.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209.jpg?fit=356%2C500\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1001\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209-213x300.jpg?resize=213%2C300\" alt=\"A little man on man action never hurts...unless its done right.\" width=\"213\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209.jpg?resize=213%2C300 213w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/111209.jpg?w=356 356w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 213px) 100vw, 213px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1001\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A little man on man action never hurts&#8230;unless its done right.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: So, given that, did you find that your sales changed when your writing did? Or was it a slow evolving process? Do you still see your work as erotica? Because, here&#8217;s my take on it: I really don&#8217;t think that sexual situations make it erotica. Sex is a part of the human condition. I think what erotica is is a piece written to titillate and inflame, sometimes at the expense of a real story, but when woven into a real bona fide tale, then I think it crosses back over to adult fiction. I think you can have a sexually active and sex positive character without it being erotica. Do you know what I am getting at here?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe:<\/strong> Yes, I do, and I agree on the whole. \u00a0There are different levels of erotica though. \u00a0In my mainstream contemporary fiction books, the sex is used as a potent way of luring two characters together and making them want each other, and when they do, it&#8217;s fireworks. \u00a0But in my role as an erotica writer, the sex is definitely the most important thing. \u00a0I wrote straight erotica for Virgin Books for five years, and sales were good enough that they kept renewing my contract, which was great. \u00a0But after a while it became slightly boring to be honest because the sex was the main event (as it has to be in an erotica book, obviously.) \u00a0The challenge was to make it interesting. \u00a0Actually, I nearly got my editor fired because my attempt at making it interesting contravened several decency laws &#8211; oops!<\/p>\n<p>So yes, there is a big difference between the role that sex plays in erotica and &#8220;mainstream&#8221; fiction. \u00a0And this goes back to what I was saying about different forms of erotica. \u00a0There are the one-handed reads, and books with characters that people can actually get involved with. \u00a0Three dimensional characters with stories that don&#8217;t insult the intelligence of the person reading them. \u00a0And that&#8217;s what I tried to do.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Fair enough. The reason I bring it up is that when I started I first listed myself as an erotic writer but after Angels fully took form it was clear that while sex was present, the sexual situations psychologically advanced the characters (more than just bringing them together) in that my shy boy became increasingly more assertive in his life &#8211; every facet of his life &#8211; which said to me that the sex, while erotic in nature, really was a different device altogether. I get the whole differing degrees of erotica writing &#8211; and I am not disparaging it as a whole genre, but I often wonder if we&#8217;re too motivated to label it as such when maybe we aren&#8217;t seeing the greys in those erotic levels as something else altogether. You know?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Yes, and a lot of it comes down to marketing and being honest about the genre the book is for. \u00a0And that isn&#8217;t necessarily the market you assume it is for when you write it, if you assume anything at all. \u00a0Black Lace (Virgin Books) was obviously erotica, aimed at women, and that was easy because I knew my genre. \u00a0Since then, I haven&#8217;t written any erotica until this year, when I began What You Wish For, which eventually turned into Dirty Little Secret. \u00a0I wrote the book, knowing I was writing erotica, but I hadn&#8217;t given any thought about who it was aimed at, I was just writing the story. \u00a0Because once you start getting hung up on markets, etc., your creativity can go out the window. \u00a0In a way, this is what happened with What You Wish For, which is why it eventually became DLS.<\/p>\n<p>And sex is obviously a great selling point, but just because there is a lot of it in a book, doesn&#8217;t make it erotica, necessarily. \u00a0I&#8217;m saying that sometimes, erotica isn&#8217;t always there to give a thrill, but to engender all kinds of emotions in the reader. As well as giving a thrill!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1002\" style=\"width: 220px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_writeup.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1002\" data-attachment-id=\"1002\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=1002\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_writeup.png?fit=210%2C280\" data-orig-size=\"210,280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"dls_writeup\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;A little 411 on the DLS low-down.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_writeup.png?fit=210%2C280\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1002\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dls_writeup.png?resize=210%2C280\" alt=\"A little 411 on the DLS low-down.\" width=\"210\" height=\"280\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1002\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A little 411 on the DLS low-down.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: So you mentioned Dirty Little Secret, which is your recent release, right? How did that happen &#8211; it started out as a straight erotica piece, right?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe:<\/strong> It did, and I guess it was aimed at women because that&#8217;s the erotica market I&#8217;ve always written for. \u00a0Straight men on the whole don&#8217;t read a lot of erotica. \u00a0They like to see the T and A before their eyes.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: True enough &#8211; men are very visual.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: But then a strange thing happened. \u00a0My two male characters fell in love before my eyes. \u00a0It was a natural process and I can honestly say I didn&#8217;t force the issue. \u00a0It just came about. \u00a0So I went with it, again not thinking about the marketing issue, although I wanted to publish the story in three parts. \u00a0But when I had finished the story and had three parts, one of straight erotica and two of gay erotica, I immediately saw I had a problem. Maybe this is an assumption here, but I guessed that gay men wouldn&#8217;t be interested in straight erotica featuring women, but I wasn&#8217;t so sure about women wanting to read gay erotica. \u00a0So I did some digging and began to read gay erotica. Actually, I had been reading gay erotica as soon as I knew I was going to write it, to find out what I was up against.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Is it something you find interesting to write about? Or was this a one off &#8220;walk in a different park&#8221; sort of thing?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I feel very comfortable writing about men, either in sexual situations or in burgeoning relationships, but I&#8217;m aware that I have a lot to learn. \u00a0I didn&#8217;t want to insult people by just swapping women for men and writing &#8220;dick lit&#8221; because men and women&#8217;s motivations are totally different.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Now you&#8217;ve hit upon one of the things that sticks in my craw about the M\/M genre as it stands now. As a gay man\/author I have collected a number of these writings and what truly astounds me is how very little it has to do with what our lives are like. I mean, I am all for the fantasy of a good yarn, but some of the emotive qualities are completely off the mark of how men feel &#8211; and often gay men at that. I think it stems from women not really getting that as a gay man you always, whether you can play off the straight male thing in society or not, are looking over your shoulder, sometimes swapping pronouns to make people around you comfortable. Yet the works in the genre never really reflect that. So while it&#8217;s &#8220;gay&#8221; it really is with air quotes completely implied. Do you think that the genre needs some evolving in that manner? Or do you think it is what it is&#8230;? I know it&#8217;s one of the reasons why I refuse to ally myself with that sort of market as my main market. Because my work will not follow those sort of entrenched guidelines..<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I think that every genre is evolving, mostly thanks to the ebook market. \u00a0People have access (should they choose to accept it) to almost any fiction they please. \u00a0But yes, to answer your last question, the gay erotica I read, written by women is very different to that written by men. \u00a0It seems to be either fantasy (wolf\/biker\/shapeshifter) or the other stereotypes (soldier, cop, mechanic) and I think that says a lot more about what the writer finds erotic than what her audience will. \u00a0Not that there is anything wrong with that but don&#8217;t mistake it for bona fide erotica aimed at gay men.<\/p>\n<p>The erotica I&#8217;ve read by men is a lot more meaty, with more of their senses being used &#8211; which is surprising to me but very enlightening. \u00a0Also, every book I&#8217;ve read reflects the &#8220;over the shoulder&#8221; situation you described, where as a lot of women tend to write about being gay and proud of it, or being completely and happily segregated from &#8220;normal&#8221; society. So in order to write erotica for the gay market, I want to learn to write more like a man, and that is something which I find really exciting. \u00a0I&#8217;m not degenerating women&#8217;s writing AT ALL. \u00a0There are some really gritty women writers out there. \u00a0I want to be one of them. \u00a0Dirty Little Secret is a bit of fun, a toe in the water, but I&#8217;ve learned a lot since then.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1003\" style=\"width: 258px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1003\" data-attachment-id=\"1003\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=1003\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3.png?fit=414%2C500\" data-orig-size=\"414,500\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"2014 &amp;#8211; 1-3\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Who doesn&amp;#8217;t need a little hug now and then?&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3.png?fit=400%2C483\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1003\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3-248x300.png?resize=248%2C300\" alt=\"Who doesn't need a little hug now and then?\" width=\"248\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3.png?resize=248%2C300 248w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/2014-1-3.png?w=414 414w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 248px) 100vw, 248px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1003\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Who doesn&#8217;t need a little hug now and then?<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: I sort of liken it to me writing about a young black woman &#8211; I might be able to imagine it, I might even be in the midst of the community, but there is something intrinsically truthful about the work when it comes from the source. I don&#8217;t blame women writing M\/M erotica for their own pleasure but what I find sort of bewildering is all of the rainbow cons that really don&#8217;t seem to have very much to do with what we are working towards. To me its more about women who love the hell out of men (as do gay men) but write about them in gay situations as they would like to fantasize about men but the &#8216;gayness&#8217; of them really isn&#8217;t much in play here other than its homosexual in nature. \u00a0I think the genre as a whole needs to do a little soul searching and more gay male voices need to rise to the top and write about us as we really are. Only then will the genre as a whole evolve. Otherwise I think it will just be women fantasizing about men as they want to see them rather than what we truly are&#8230; does that make sense?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Yeah, it does, although I would say that it isn&#8217;t the role of erotica to reflect the angst going on in real life. \u00a0One of the big no-nos in straight erotica are characters with kids. \u00a0No-one wants to read about child-care arrangements before the fucking starts. \u00a0They don&#8217;t want to hear about women with problems juggling their lives, or non-consensual sex (another rule I broke &#8211; I&#8217;m all about breaking rules) or any of the other issues that people in &#8220;normal&#8221; life experience. \u00a0It is a fantasy after all.<\/p>\n<p>But, this also begs the question about what motivates women to write gay erotica. \u00a0Yes, a lot of it is a fantasy about what gay men are like in bed. And I think some women do it because they feel SAFER writing about gay men.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Why? Because they think gay men aren&#8217;t reading it to say &#8211; hey, wait a minute there &#8212;where am I in all of this? What do you mean by safer?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Because they can have their kicks writing and reading about it without feeling they have to compete. \u00a0In erotica books, the heroine is mostly beautiful, or has some quality that makes her irresistible to the hero. \u00a0Some women feel threatened by that and think, &#8220;I would never be like that. \u00a0I don&#8217;t want to hear about some bitch with perfect tits getting banged by Mr. Hardjaw.&#8221; But put Mr. Hardjaw with Mr. Sexyabs and hell, yes!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: That sort of seems rather simplistic in a way. I mean you&#8217;ve read a bit of my book&#8230; right?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I&#8217;m reading it now, but as you said, your book isn&#8217;t erotica, it&#8217;s a character study. \u00a0Erotica is there mainly for one purpose, and that is to get off, right? \u00a0DLS is erotica. \u00a0I want to make it intelligent but to be honest, I wanted to turn people on first. \u00a0And THAT is the prime purpose of erotica<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: True enough but let&#8217;s talk character for a second. I think that in erotica (or hell, even mainstream lit fic) women make a very interesting mistake in my mind when writing male characters. I think because in their own lives they hear the brevity of how we communicate and make an assumption that things go on like that in our heads. That we think in bits and bytes and not strung together long trained thoughts. In Angels almost 70 percent of it is Elliot&#8217;s (my protag) inner monologue. Men do think quite intensely and prolonged as we analyze our world around us &#8211; the difference is we don&#8217;t talk a lot about it. Gay men more than our hetero counterparts to a degree, but even so &#8211; gay men have short hand talking that does the same brevity communication that our straight brothers do. Most female writers miss the boat on that. I found that to be rather telling. It was one of the reasons why Elliot&#8217;s part of my series is so inside his head. It was far more interesting for me to express him internally (thus, the character study) yet, walk you through what he feels and thinks while he&#8217;s having hot man-on-man action&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1004\" style=\"width: 204px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1004\" data-attachment-id=\"1004\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=1004\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus.jpg?fit=299%2C462\" data-orig-size=\"299,462\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"menmarswomenvenus\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus.jpg?fit=299%2C462\" class=\"wp-image-1004 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus-194x300.jpg?resize=194%2C300\" alt=\"menmarswomenvenus\" width=\"194\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus.jpg?resize=194%2C300 194w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/menmarswomenvenus.jpg?w=299 299w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 194px) 100vw, 194px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1004\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The whole Men and Women thing &#8211; sorta lost on me, but Savvy seems to know quite a bit about it&#8230;<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: The inner monologue men go through isn&#8217;t as developed as I think it can be. I think it is simplistic for most (definitely not all) female writers to assume that how the men in their world act are how we really are. I think the inner monologues are not as complex as we sometimes can be.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: Yeah, I get that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: Sure. I mean I turned you onto John Rechy&#8217;s work&#8230; you said that you found his voice to be very powerful and you were getting some of that from him, right? Did it surprise you to read his take on male sexuality?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I think we women make the assumption that men are simple souls, because to be honest, men have told us that for long enough. \u00a0Perhaps to stop us over-thinking things we have no hope of understanding? It wasn&#8217;t a surprise to read John Rechy&#8217;s take but it was enlightening, because I, like a lot of women have always thought that men are more visual than anything else.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_872\" style=\"width: 191px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/9780440176671.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-872\" data-attachment-id=\"872\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=872\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/9780440176671.jpg?fit=181%2C280\" data-orig-size=\"181,280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"9780440176671\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;The Sexual Outlaw as I saw it in 1979.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/9780440176671.jpg?fit=181%2C280\" class=\"size-full wp-image-872\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/9780440176671.jpg?resize=181%2C280\" alt=\"The Sexual Outlaw as I saw it in 1979.\" width=\"181\" height=\"280\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-872\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Sexual Outlaw as I saw it in 1979.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: True enough. I mean my daughter is on\u00a0match.com\u00a0looking for potential boyfriend material and one guy got playful with her and started to talk about the big trucks and tractors he drives around at work (like a big boy would). She got all over analytical about it and I stopped her in her tracks and said &#8211; &#8220;Sweetie, sometimes a tractor or a truck is just that. He&#8217;s being playfui, don&#8217;t make it a political statement.&#8221; <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>So I get we can be forthright in our statements and they get over-analyzed to the point of absurdity (in most men&#8217;s opinions).<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I think women are always looking for the hidden message. \u00a0It&#8217;s a defense mechanism to stop them from getting hurt. \u00a0It doesn&#8217;t work though.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: When I read Rechy&#8217;s work as a gay teen (this was the late 70&#8217;s mind you) it was truly enlightening that all of the things I was questioning about myself as a man (let alone a gay one) were right there in his pages.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: A comparative work for women would be The Women&#8217;s Room, by Marilyn French.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1005\" style=\"width: 191px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/womensroom.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1005\" data-attachment-id=\"1005\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.sacollins.com\/blog-wp\/?attachment_id=1005\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/womensroom.jpg?fit=181%2C279\" data-orig-size=\"181,279\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"womensroom\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;The Women&amp;#8217;s Room &amp;#8211; Marilyn French&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/womensroom.jpg?fit=181%2C279\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1005\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/biz141.inmotionhosting.com\/~akweko6\/sacollins.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/womensroom.jpg?resize=181%2C279\" alt=\"The Women's Room - Marilyn French\" width=\"181\" height=\"279\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1005\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Women&#8217;s Room &#8211; Marilyn French<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SA Collins<\/strong>: All of the textures and the senses that we as men go through. This is what I often find missing in M\/M erotica&#8230; the assumptions are never analyzed by the author &#8211; simply taken as hard cold fact about us and not inquired or asked about. I know some men won&#8217;t cough up the goods or admit to what really goes on in our heads. In fact, I spend more time talking to my straight friends about their emotional shit that would truly astound their wives and girlfriends. I often laugh that straight women and straight men don&#8217;t really get what a great ally gay men are to them. They assume that our sex is so perverse that they can&#8217;t possibly be of any help to them. But I know I&#8217;ve helped my straight co-workers on a number of occasions because I gave them some insight on why their ladies might be feeling the way they were or expressing themselves how they were.\u00a0<\/em>\u00a0<em>The dialog is changing but I always sort of laugh on how much of our POV on their own relationships go unasked. I always tell my daughter &#8211; I may be gay, but honey, I know my sex&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Savvy Smythe<\/strong>: I think straight women get the gay ally thing. \u00a0Most women yearn for a GBF. (Sex and the City, anyone?)\u00a0 BUT, I think it&#8217;s become a bit like a status symbol, rather like a designer handbag. I&#8217;d be willing to bet that the women wanting a GBF want him so they can give some insight into men and make them feel good about themselves. Actually, if you examine that dynamic, it looks a bit one-sided. Are the women with GBFs any wiser about how gay men think, feel, function day to day? This is a genuine question because I haven&#8217;t a clue! Would be interesting to find out though.<\/p>\n<p>It seems as if we are all shouting at each other over a divide the size of the Grand Canyon. 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